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    Posted: 04 Aug 2012 at 6:11pm
This is from a pastor I know and he gives some points on this worth considering. 
 
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The basic idea of anointing is submission to the will of God.

Aaron and his sons were anointed by Moses to serve God. See Exodus 40:13-16.

David was anointed by Samuel to be king over Israel. See 1 Sam 16:13.

Jesus was anointed by the Holy Spirit at His baptism. See Luke 3:22.

Anointing was a visible event indicating the anointed individual had been chosen by God to "go-be-do" as He commanded.

In the early church, the idea of anointing was expanded somewhat. (Mark 6:13, James 5:14) If a sick person during the first century A.D. had a life or death issue, he could call upon the apostles or elders for anointing and if it was God's will that he died, they submitted to that outcome. If it was God's will that he be healed so that he could live out the remainder of his life as a servant of the Lord, that too, would be wonderful.

Because the gift of healing was provided by the Holy Spirit in the early church, it was a divine confirmation that the gospel of Jesus was valid. Many early believers were healed from life threatening situations and went on to serve the Lord following their healing, propelling the gospel dramatically. (Seeing is believing among non-believers.)

OK, with these things being said, my take is this:

I know you love the Lord and have given your life into His hands. Therefore, if you know any person who has the gift of healing, ask them in faith to come and anoint you. Remember, it would be no more difficult for the Lord Jesus to replace a part of your body than for Him to kill the virus or bacteria that is causing the problem! A miracle is a miracle, so I encourage you to ask for “everything” when you ask the Lord for a miracle. :) If you don't know a person who has the gift of healing, you can still be anointed, but if a passionate desire to be anointed is not stirring you, what will the anointing accomplish?

I have participated in a number of anointing situations over the past 40 years and I have seen two or three dramatic results, but in most situations I have seen no direct result (healing). I do not have the gift of healing and this gift is NOT something a person can obtain by wanting it or believing that he has it. (See text below.)

A few years ago, a man insisted that I anoint his wife who had ovarian cancer. However, when I got to her bedside, the wife was already in perfect peace with life or death (now that was the work of the Holy Spirit within her). Surprisingly, the husband was as tormented by his wife's peace as he was by her cancer. Of course, he did not want to lose her. So I explained to him that his wife had already surrendered herself to whatever God's will might be and she was at peace -- and he needed to do the same. He was not a Christian and to my knowledge has not become one. Not long after this event, this dear saint died. The husband has since remarried and the last I heard, he is "off to the races."

So, if being anointed would bring you a greater sense of peace, then invite someone to anoint you. If your joy and peace in the Lord is already overflowing, there's no essential point in an anointing -- unless you know someone who truly has the gift of healing. Please review these verses and as you read, remember that the gifts of the Spirit are given for the corporate good of the body of Christ:

“There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men. Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.” (1 Corinthians 12:6-11)

My prayer for you has been and will remain, that the Lord give you wisdom and grace each day as you deal with your dire situation. May the Lord send people to you who can help in whatever way you need help. May the Lord give you strength and courage and opportunities to share His love with others.

Prayers and best wishes always,"

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
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So what is your conclusion, Gibs?
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My conclusion is we must be very careful from here on out as Satan will perform miracle healings that he has caused the malady.
 
Yes I am sure He has ones whom He has given the gift of healing.  If Yah chooses it could very well be a miracle instant healing.  But it may be a concoction by an herbalist that knows of God's miracle healing things that grow in His world of healing plants and herbals.
 
First so as not to be confused when this thing comes down to push and shove I find will come the miracle working power of Satan.
 
However we must not forget, He has given the gift of healing.  But the anointing is actually of the Holy Spirit.
 
1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
Ac 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
 
I believe what we can see here is that it would only be from a true man of God, known not to be a deceiver.
 
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
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I've read in the Spirit of Prophecy, Gibs, where we are not really to pray for people to be healed, without first knowing where the person is spiritually.  If the person is living in sin, then it is a mockery to ask God to heal them. And I am pretty sure that she also says there will be not very many miracle healings in the last days...because God wants the people to use diet and natural remedies....
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This is a good topic, Br Gibs, and I appreciate what you have shared here.
I hope you won't mind if I ask questions, though, because the answers are really important, and I need those answers. (Happy for everyone's thoughts though!)

1)You raised the point of looking for someone with the gift of healing. This is where I am dubious. I have met two people this year within the church who said they have had the gift of healing. One is a pastor. I momentarily was encouraged to have found a pastor with this gift, but then he continued to speak. Here was a lovely, very likeable person but his theology was questionable. And then a lay person who comes across as very spiritual but who challenges some of the basic SDA teachings, also with the gift of healing. I could not, would not, have either anoint me. So my question is, must we seek a person with the gift of healing? My understanding has been that the Holy Spirit will provide the gift of healing (or the gift of tongues or whatever) as the need arises.

2)We have been given a procedure to follow, to involve the pastor and elders. Some would say that anointing is about faith of the person who is being anointed, and to go through the prescribed channels that we have been given. Where does the spirituality of those involved in the anointing come into the picture? What if the pastor doesn't have the faith that God might heal? (which is not uncommonly the case, they simply expect God to say no.)

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Tammy, I understand where you are coming from but not everything can be fixed by diet, it really cannot.
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True and Tammy is right there is very few who today have the gift of healing as the pastor had stated in my original post.  He is an old man and in all his yrs has seen but few.  And this pastors contact is large.  He has an independant ministry.  Exorcisms are few too these days as where is the true ones to do it?  Therein lies the problem, there is so few that God can use!
 
Lily don't mess with any unless you know and His Spirit leads you and the healer is a true man of God.  They must have the Spirit of God or they do not have the gift from Him.  They will teach the truth on all that matters of His Word.  And we know, - - 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
 
I myself have never witnessed an instant miracle healing and since we are so close to the miracle workings of Satan it may not be but a few worldwide.
 
Truly the healer is His Spirit and a few He has given the gift to.  It would be foolish not to keep an open eye for such a one and I'm sure with the healing if given would be some admonitions.
 
If one needs healing, do all we know to do and then ask Him to complete it in us as He knows best.
 
I believe though we can claim this promise.
 
Ex 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD
that healeth thee.
 
We must ask for a greater faith that our petitions in righteousness be granted as without full faith in Him they will not.
 
Here we go again as EX 15:26 indicates,
 
Joh 14:12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Joh 14:15If ye love me, keep my commandments.
1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
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Originally posted by lily-of-the-field lily-of-the-field wrote:

Tammy, I understand where you are coming from but not everything can be fixed by diet, it really cannot.
Yes Lily, that is true....very true...but the vast majority of issues are related to diet/lifestyle...
 
I'll tell you a story that I don't know if I ever shared here or not...
 
When Al and I were first married, nearly 32 years ago now, my monthly cycles were extremely painful.  I literally passed out in the bathtub once and if I was driving, I'd have to pull over....the pain was unbearable.  I didn't know much about herbs back then...I was eating good and otherwise, very healthy....each month got worse....I finally resorted to Motrin, not knowing what else to do.  Even then, I hated taking drugs...Well, I'll NEVER forget this Friday night, as long as I live....Al and I were at my parents house and they were gone, it was just the two of us home...the pain started...I looked at Al and said, "I'm not taking the drugs, I'm going to bed."  So I did.  15 or 20 minutes later, Al came into the bedroom and said, "I've been reading in The Desire of the Ages" the story about the woman who had been sick for 12 years, and I believe God wants to heal you." I looked at him and said, "I don't have enough faith."  He said, "Well, try to believe....I'm going to pray for you."  This is the honest truth folks...Al prayed a short prayer, and like I said, the pains had already started....in the midst of the prayer, the pain went away and NEVER returned, NEVER even HINTED at returning!  It was a miracle...each month previous to that, the pains had gotten stronger and more unbearable...and I never had a month that I didn't suffer...but right in the midst of the prayer, the pain left me, FOREVER! Praise God!  I believe that God healed me because Al had so much faith... 
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Originally posted by lily-of-the-field lily-of-the-field wrote:

This is a good topic, Br Gibs, and I appreciate what you have shared here.
I hope you won't mind if I ask questions, though, because the answers are really important, and I need those answers. (Happy for everyone's thoughts though!)

1)You raised the point of looking for someone with the gift of healing. This is where I am dubious. I have met two people this year within the church who said they have had the gift of healing. One is a pastor. I momentarily was encouraged to have found a pastor with this gift, but then he continued to speak. Here was a lovely, very likeable person but his theology was questionable. And then a lay person who comes across as very spiritual but who challenges some of the basic SDA teachings, also with the gift of healing. I could not, would not, have either anoint me. So my question is, must we seek a person with the gift of healing? My understanding has been that the Holy Spirit will provide the gift of healing (or the gift of tongues or whatever) as the need arises.

2)We have been given a procedure to follow, to involve the pastor and elders. Some would say that anointing is about faith of the person who is being anointed, and to go through the prescribed channels that we have been given. Where does the spirituality of those involved in the anointing come into the picture? What if the pastor doesn't have the faith that God might heal? (which is not uncommonly the case, they simply expect God to say no.)

I agree with Gibs....God isn't going to work a miracle thru someone who is not walking in the light...especially an Adventist... You said,
Quote  Where does the spirituality of those involved in the anointing come into the picture? 
  If a person is not spiritual, if the person doing the annointing/praying doesn't have faith, I don't see how God would use them?  that doesn't seem to be the way He would work at all...do you think?
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Tammy, Al reading that account of the woman who was sick for 12 yrs and the Holy Spirit came upon him and he was filled with faith and his prayer for you was answered.  It is solidly apparent Al was given the gift of healing at least for that ocassion.
 
But this is what it takes, the conviction and I'm sure Al was and he prayed a prayer of true and full faith.
 
Gather any true ones you know are of strong faith and have a prayer circle.  The prayers of the righteous availeth much.
 
Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
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